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Embattled Uniswap Slashes Fees to Fight Curve 3pool

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Nov 22, 2021
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Last week witnessed a new broadside against Curve from a once-powerful DeFi relic.

Twitter avatar for @crypto_condomCryptoCondom @crypto_condom
ALPHA: Most people dont understand that @CurveFinance is the largest dex in DeFi by TVL. To wit, @CurveFinance has 2x the TVL of @Uniswap with 1/10th the market cap. 🤯👀 Hey #CrytpoTwitter, which do YOU think is undervalued?
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November 21st 2021

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Uniswap, an inefficient Curve knockoff, has taken note of Curve’s success and launched a last-ditch attack on Curve’s trusty 3pool. Their attack comes in the form of cutting trading fees on some pools.

Twitter avatar for @alex_kroegerDeFiCorgi.eth @alex_kroeger
Since the 1bp fee tier was turned on, Uniswap v3 has gone from ~10% of @1inch's USDC-USDT volume to ~65%.
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November 16th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @haydenzadamshayden.eth 🦄 @haydenzadams
🤯🤯🤯 Update on this from one day later: Since the 1bp fee tier was turned on, Uniswap v3 has gone from ~10% of @1inch's USDC-USDT volume to ~96% Source:
dune.xyz/queries/247630
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DeFiCorgi.eth @alex_kroeger

Since the 1bp fee tier was turned on, Uniswap v3 has gone from ~10% of @1inch's USDC-USDT volume to ~65%. https://t.co/j2kI0cTnsm

November 18th 2021

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Uniswap v3 concentrated liquidity ranges are difficult to rebalance for volatile assets, especially as assumptions of lower gas prices have failed to materialize. Yet it’s theoretically usable for stable assets not expected to break peg — Curve v1’s bread and butter. Most Uniswap fees had traditionally been a royal 0.3% (30 bps), making the protocol revenue rich.

Yet this was always a major premium to Curve’s 0.03% on 3pool, making it difficult for Uniswap to compete on cost. This past week, Uniswap’s “governance” slashed fees to a lowball 0.01%, undermining Curve’s cost advantage.

Twitter avatar for @haydenzadamshayden.eth 🦄 @haydenzadams
After successfully making their way through governance, 0.01% fee tier pools have been added to the
app.uniswap.org interface! Who is going to be the first LP in this pool?
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November 13th 2021

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Notably, this may even be making money for Uniswap LPs.

Twitter avatar for @statelayerstate @statelayer
@haydenzadams amounts to 26% APR if anyone's curious

November 16th 2021

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The unicorn in their new logo may in fact be a clever reference to the rarity of LPs making money on Uniswap. Until now, very few people tangled with Uniswap and came out the better, with the possible exception of the DeFi Education Fund.

Twitter avatar for @RektHQrekt @RektHQ
It’s not all rainbows and unicorns in @Uniswap V3. A recent study suggests that ~50% of UNI V3 LPs are losing more to IL than they are making in fees. Liquidity provision wasn't broken. Why did they "fix" it? rekt investigates.
Rekt - Uniswap V3 LP - REKTDeFi / Crypto - It’s not all rainbows and unicorns in Uniswap V3. A recent study suggests that ~50% of UNI V3 LPs are losing money.rekt.news

November 18th 2021

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Although it may not be negative like other Uniswap pools, these new pools still carry that “TradFi Saving Account” energy for wannabe stakers.

Twitter avatar for @_bout3fiddy_bout3fiddy @_bout3fiddy_
@CurveFinance Just reducing fees to compete is one way trip to getting LPs rekt. I mean: Uniswap already reks LPs. They already got what they wanted. Their new pivot is ‘traders get a better product’. Ser what about LPs. With Schrodinger’s profits, LP-ing is already perilous. Why make worse?

November 18th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @DefiMoonDefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
@CurveFinance The returns for LPs on 1 bps stablecoin pools are so low they won't even keep up with inflation.😁

November 18th 2021

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In this particular case it’s just one lucky ducky earning all the rewards. Given the choice between rewarding all of its users or one single whale, you know which one Uniswap will pick every single time.

Twitter avatar for @statelayerstate @statelayer
@haydenzadams usually APR figure would depend between LPs...but here it's all from the same guy so yeah he's earning that
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November 16th 2021

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LPs aside, what about casual users? Will Uniswap finally defeat dethrone Curve by creating a flimsy replica and undercharging for the service? Does this all spell the end for Curve?!?!?!?

Twitter avatar for @0xtubatuba 🦈 @0xtuba
the year is 2030. your salary is getting streamed to your wallet on a per-block basis and is paid in usdc-usdt 1bps uni v3 lp share

November 16th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @getty_hillgetty.gfxlabs.eth @getty_hill
@alex_kroeger @1inch @DuneAnalytics @Uniswap Is this what winning looks like?

November 16th 2021

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In a word… no. The path to unseating Curve won’t be quite so easy for Uniswap. Curve has plenty of levers at their disposal if needed.

Twitter avatar for @CurveFinanceCurve Finance @CurveFinance
@haydenzadams @1inch Thanks for pointing to it, will reoptimize the 3pool real quick. It all seemingly started with appearance of Balancer 2 1 bps pool which uses our math

November 18th 2021

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Even without any major changes, Curve’s efficient stableswap invariant and deep liquidity remains the best in industry formula for low slippage at high volumes.

Twitter avatar for @DefiMoonDefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
Liquidity concentration games = pools very imbalanced. Curve still offers better rates above 1m! If Curve were to⬇️1bps on 3pool, the $UNI V3 LPs would almost certainly get APR 1% or lower, but 3pool LPs staked on Convex get 6.5% APR! Uniswap can't win this game! $CRV 👑 $CVX!
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Uniswap Labs 🦄 @Uniswap

This was made possible by a proposal from a Uniswap community member. A good reminder, not just of the power of community-driven governance, but also that the success of the Protocol is driven by its community. https://t.co/KMu9cfTXpi

November 19th 2021

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Curve has run the numbers extensively on the optimal parameters for its pools. It retains the option of dropping to .01% fees to match the 1 bps pools. Yet the preferred option looks to be raising the A parameter.

Twitter avatar for @CurveFinanceCurve Finance @CurveFinance
So with those 1 bps fees for stablecoins getting popular... It appears that even when Balancer and Uniswap turned them on, 3 bps fee maximizes returns (while 1 bps would obviously break trading volume records). 3pool can though have A increased from 2000 to 10000 safely...
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November 18th 2021

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Curve hasn’t even had to make this move yet. With A still at 2000, Curve volume has already picked back up as the Uniswap pool became unbalanced. In the past several days, Curve volume has mostly beaten Uniswap — with far greater profitability.

Twitter avatar for @CurveFinanceCurve Finance @CurveFinance
So, 3bps 3pool does 150M volume today while 1bps Uniswap's USDT/USDC pool does 78M volume (and 1/6th of 3pool's revenue) 🤔

November 20th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @DefiMoonDefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
$UNI governance must be very proud of themselves #DeFi governance + echo chamber = 🤡 $CRV 👑
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Curve Finance @CurveFinance

So, 3bps 3pool does 150M volume today while 1bps Uniswap's USDT/USDC pool does 78M volume (and 1/6th of 3pool's revenue) 🤔

November 22nd 2021

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This would come as little surprise to anybody who followed the research by @nagaking.

Twitter avatar for @nagakinggnagaking @nagakingg
Consistent with model predictions. Let’s see how this plays out https://t.co/MdL7HYTLYN

Curve Finance @CurveFinance

So, 3bps 3pool does 150M volume today while 1bps Uniswap's USDT/USDC pool does 78M volume (and 1/6th of 3pool's revenue) 🤔

November 20th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @_bout3fiddy_bout3fiddy @_bout3fiddy_
@nagakingg We bumping up A to 10k or nah

November 20th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @nagakinggnagaking @nagakingg
@_bout3fiddy_ I think we’ll propose a vote on it. Ramping to 2k (based on simulations) seemed to work, and now with greater pool size and lower volatility, the sims point to 10k with 3 bps fee 👀

November 20th 2021

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Twitter avatar for @_bout3fiddy_bout3fiddy @_bout3fiddy_
@nagakingg Hmmmm you guys will like what the llama airforce pilots are building: 3pool has a fee to incentives ratio between 0.6-0.8. Need to bump up the incentives even more in that pool for being a good boi.

November 20th 2021

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We can expect the battle to continue, and perhaps there’s greater chess at play.

Perhaps Uniswap is offering this as a sort of a loss leader to push users toward more profitable pools. Like when you go to the grocery store just for the sale on milk, but you walk out with a cart full of high priced junk food. If you liked $USDC-$USDT, why not pick up a cute doggie token while your transaction’s processing?

Another way to look at it is the classic Silicon Valley gambit. A startup tries to “disrupt” an existing business by giving away its product for free through a sleek app. VCs horny to invest in “growth” subsidize the startup with dump trucks full of funds. Rinse-repeat until the legacy business can’t compete and goes under. With the field cleared, the startup can charge double original prices. Maybe Uniswap’s game plan is to bankrupt Curve and capture the AMM market?

At any rate, it’s remarkable that the third iteration of Uniswap still struggles to compete with the original release of Curve. It’s an ominous indicator for Uniswap. Curve’s v2 pools could bring Curve efficiency to a breadth of assets. Curve’s initial crypto pools are already accounting for big volume and they’ve yet to be unleashed en masse.

Twitter avatar for @DefiMoonDefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
@cryptoMaxi420 @CurveFinance The top volume Curve pool isn't even a stablecoin pool anymore, it's the tricrypto2 pool. And if Curve gov. really wanted to cuck Uniswap LPs, they can lower fees on the 3pool and up the A factor.
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November 19th 2021

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In fact, Curve v1 has proven utterly dominant over Uniswap to date. For most of the past year, Uniswap has utterly flatlined in terms of TVL in ETH terms

Meanwhile Curve has been as perfectly sloped as Chad’s hairline:

Uniswap supporters might point out that their protocol may simply not care about TVL. If your business model is aggressively rugging your users, who needs deep liquidity and low slippage?

If Uniswap wants to escalate the basis point battle, it will be interesting to see precisely how many VC wallets they’re willing to throw at Curve in an attempt to bury it. It’s a sort of DeFi equivalent of the Brannigan gambit.

Should 1 bps proves competitive, maybe they can get VCs to subsidize dropping fees to zero? Negative? How low can you go 👀


Disclaimers! Author is a Curve maximalist, in part by rendering himself so thoroughly unemployable across most of polite society.

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