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November 28, 2022: AAVEs and AAVE Nots 👻⛔
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November 28, 2022: AAVEs and AAVE Nots 👻⛔

AAVE ghosts markets for low liquidity tokens

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November 28, 2022: AAVEs and AAVE Nots 👻⛔
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The FUD is strong over the past week. If you’re here looking for FUD-mongering, we recommend you look elsewhere. We view most of this firestorm to be about as credible as the WETH FUD, which had the primary effect of revealing journos as the credulous dupes they are.

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Lefteris Karapetsas | Hiring for @rotkiapp @LefterisJP
Quality journalism by professional analysts that you have to pay for.
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8:41 AM ∙ Nov 28, 2022
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Of course, even fake FUD can have real consequences. For instance, even though WBTC is likely safe (in our opinion), holders have nonetheless been abandoning it for the asset that’s shutting down in less than a month…

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Ren @renprotocol
Reminder that holders of Ren assets such as $renBTC, $renDOGE, $renZEC etc. should bridge back their assets to the respective native chains ASAP, before the Ren 1.0 network is sunset next month Also note if you are a liquidity provider in Curve and Uniswap renBTC pools ℹ️
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Ren @renprotocol
1) We recently posted an update regarding how Ren will move forward from Alameda: https://t.co/VFEYHbjZmz
3:52 PM ∙ Nov 24, 2022
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Let’s hope all the new renBTC holders successfully exit in time, otherwise they’ll be forced to trade back the other direction. As always, FUD tends to redound to the benefit of Curve trading fees.

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Curve Finance @CurveFinance
Interesting trends for trading volumes (at @DefiLlama)
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12:27 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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AAVE AIP-121

One notable effect of the recent FUD was the swift reaction to last week’s Avi vs. Aave duel. The community quickly passed AIP-121 as a means of fortifying the protocol:

“A proposal to make parameter changes on Aave V2 ETH. Given that the market situation of these assets is currently volatile, out of an abundance of caution, we recommend temporarily freezing the following markets: YFI, CRV, ZRX, MANA, 1inch, BAT, sUSD, ENJ, GUSD, AMPL, RAI, USDP, LUSD, xSUSHI, DPI, renFIL, and MKR”

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Marc Zeller 👻 💜 🦇🔊 @lemiscate
AIP-121 just got executed. greatly mitigating any potential harmful position on the Aave protocol. DeFi adapts and is defined by resilience.
app.aave.comAave - Open Source Liquidity ProtocolAave is an Open Source Protocol to create Non-Custodial Liquidity Markets to earn interest on supplying and borrowing assets with a variable or stable interest rate. The protocol is designed for easy integration into your products and services.
6:55 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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The proposal is being billed as a temporary measure. Nonetheless, the sudden move sparked heavy controversy.

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banteg @bantg
aave governors punishing all markets for their own poor decisions on risk params https://t.co/ivpQRFUSm7
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Barry Fried 🦇🔊 @BarryFried1
Woah, Aave lowkey freezing a whole bunch of V2 Mainnet mkts in a few mins, most notably CRV, sUSD, LUSD & GUSD https://t.co/nHG4jeBH5e https://t.co/wMewXRCdSU
6:59 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Marc Zeller 👻 💜 🦇🔊 @lemiscate
@bantg for exactly 3 days before AIP 125 takes the relay. I, for one, would have thought u welcomed the idea of YFI being impossible to short on Aave.
7:26 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Indeed, shorting $CRV and other low liquidity tokens is currently illegal on AAVE. Why aren’t fans rejoicing?

By way of background, AIP-125 is an AAVE improvement protocol that would migrate several of these pools to AAVE v3. The upgraded version of AAVE has a number of improvements over v2, including more resiliency against the Avi attack that saddled the protocol with bad debt.

FWIW, Curve has endorsed this migration.

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Marc Zeller 👻 💜 🦇🔊 @lemiscate
the next step is AIP 125. this AIP, if governance agrees will unfreeze specific reserves with updated risk parameters.
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7:07 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Curve Finance @CurveFinance
@lemiscate @bantg 125 is good ser. Let's hope it gets executed! What would be even better is if lender allowed or disallowed to borrow their collateral (in next version by any chance?)
7:41 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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So where’s the controversy? Willy, who got so much right during the Avi shenanigans, cast the spotlight onto AAVE governance following a mass unstake of AAVE by the team amidst the Avi fallout, which led to much back and forth.

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Fraxgener 200x @napgener
why did aave team unstake all their stkaave last week? its like 450k $AAVE unstaked last week.. they wanted to be front of queue in case of a shortfall...sell aave > collateralize > sell aave > collateralize RATS jumped ship fast as hell let me tell ya etherscan.io/address/0x2deb…
8:57 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Chris Blec @ChrisBlec
If you left your $AAVE staked throughout last week's shenanigans, then you had more faith in the protocol than the core team did. Think about that for a moment. Should you *ever* have more faith in a protocol than the people who coded it?
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Fraxgener 200x @napgener
why did aave team unstake all their stkaave last week? its like 450k $AAVE unstaked last week.. they wanted to be front of queue in case of a shortfall...sell aave > collateralize > sell aave > collateralize RATS jumped ship fast as hell let me tell ya https://t.co/C1P4nCOxZA
9:12 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Stani.lens (🌿,👻) @StaniKulechov
@napgener Actually not true, there is solid stakes of 45 mm USD worth: etherscan.io/token/0xa11169… etherscan.io/token/0xa11169… There is staking or ustaking that happens from time to time (due to the markets, i.e. position recollateralizations or recapitalization)
10:51 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Fraxgener 200x @napgener
@StaniKulechov > "actually this is not true we still have $40m to dump on you" ???
10:54 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022

The composition of AAVE governance is an interesting subject, and we’d eagerly read a deeper analysis of the effects of key stakeholders on its decisions.

For instance, we know AIP-121 was authored by Gauntlet, whose role in recommending the questionable parameters in the first place also came under vicious scrutiny.

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⤧ Kimball_Dudley @Andersokimlo
#DAO economic infrastructure Llama and on-chain risk simulation platform Gauntlet submitted a governance proposal on #Aave to use the Gauntlet bankruptcy fund and the Aave vault to cover $1.6 million in bad debt related to the #CRV marketplace.🫤🫤
3:45 AM ∙ Nov 28, 2022
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goodgirlgonecrypto.onlymarketbuy @gggonecrypto
Hindsight is 20/20 for such a useless service like Gauntlet lol. They were shitting on the sound model of veToken while their shitty ass "safu" params were actually risky enough that they had to push a vote to freeze assets in aave after avi attack lmao
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Gabe Pohl-Zaretsky @Gabe_PZ
I see lots of protocols proposing ve gauges as a way to fix their Tokenomics woes. In this thread, I explain why ve gauges is objectively a bad mechanism to implement for your protocol! It doesn't solve any problems while creating massive ones and needs to go away. 1/🧵
12:31 AM ∙ Nov 27, 2022

Some observers raised questions about why specific tokens were singled out, drawing a line between these decisions and AAVE governance.

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ℳiLLiΞ🔑🔮⏳ @0xmillie_eth
@inkymaze @BarryFried1 read that and have no issue with safety around long tail assets, but the stablecoins LUSD and RAI do not belong in that category USDC and wBTC are both promoted as collateral types within Aave gov even though they come with serious censorship risks. broken notions of risk imo
7:06 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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ℳiLLiΞ🔑🔮⏳ @0xmillie_eth
LUSD and RAI are both set to be frozen today but USDC is promoted as pristine collateral... @AaveAave has continuously sacrificed important values for profit driven motivations imo Aave is a web2 company with smart contracts
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thΞ3d.lens.eth( 👻, 👻) @The3D_
@TokenBrice @0xmillie_eth @MonetSupply Why are you telling me? You know where to go
6:45 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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DefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
@0xmillie_eth @inkymaze @BarryFried1 That's what happens when VCs have sizable influence on governance.
7:12 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022

Although these concerns are certainly interesting to read about, we still don’t count ourselves among the AAVE bears. We find ourselves to be mostly impressed by AAVE’s resiliency, responsiveness and transparency throughout the entire process. Our belief is that the migration to AAVE v3 will only make the protocol stronger.

The most notable effect we foresee is that any delay in passing AIP-125 could open a window of opportunity for competing lending protocols to snag some market share. If (when) markets prove volatile in the near future, we don’t expect shorters will rely exclusively on TradFi products to short. Will competitors seize the moment to take advantage?

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DefiMoon 🦇🔊 @DefiMoon
@BarryFried1 Silo, FraxLend and Euler looking better and better.
7:13 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Midgetwhale @derpaderpederp
If you're sad and looking how to get leverage exposure to $CRV, $YFI, $ZRX, $MANA, $BAT, $ENJ and $MKR you can trade them at $GNS' gTrade.
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Barry Fried 🦇🔊 @BarryFried1
Woah, Aave lowkey freezing a whole bunch of V2 Mainnet mkts in a few mins, most notably CRV, sUSD, LUSD & GUSD https://t.co/nHG4jeBH5e https://t.co/wMewXRCdSU
8:07 AM ∙ Nov 28, 2022
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To reiterate, our editorial stance remains perma-bullish, most particularly on Curve but also broadly on the myriad innovations in all of decentralized finance. This includes AAVE and other innovators on the lending formula.

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monetsupply.lens @MonetSupply
to the aave fudooors 2 wrongs don’t make a right, temporarily disabling new deposits/borrows for low liq assets is a sensible choice
7:41 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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We’re still here because we believe DeFi is the future. Long term, we expect several of these protocols to grow massively as they flippen their staid TradFi counterparts.

Note that, as a $CRV maxi, we should logically be taking the opposite position. You may have noticed that FUD leads to Curve printing fees, so FUD is mostly good for Curve. You might therefore expect we have a fiduciary responsibility to use this ragsheet to shovel FUD commensurate with the public’s insatiable appetite for it.

Instead, we hope our strong anti-FUD stance earns us some credibility among readers.


A few final notes related to the situation… worth keeping an eye on the stETH situation as it develops.

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Fraxgener 200x @napgener
Only need to borrow 100-150k eth to start delevering the steth farmers community promoted lever up to save itself> $LUNA made the bomb even larger if farming 5x lever and paying -17% and earning 9% thats -40% apr unwind means selling steth smart rats will flee the ship. FAST
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7:27 PM ∙ Nov 27, 2022
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Lido @LidoFinance
86,000 collateral stETH on @AaveAave is currently in a risky zone with health factor less than 1.25. Please take care and monitor your position according.
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11:03 AM ∙ Nov 22, 2022
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We doubt this manifests, but worth keeping an eye on things.

Lest you think this is all merely a weakness of DeFi, it’s by no means limited to the future of finance. It just so happens that DeFi is the more active testbed, but the stakes in DeFi are far smaller. What happens if global geopolitical players realize they can play this game at the international level…

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FROG-E-NOMICS @SHIBAATTACKNOW
I've been thinking about what @avi_eisen did to @AaveAave the other day. How much free liquidity do you think China holds quietly inside the United States?
1:10 PM ∙ Nov 25, 2022
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AliG 🌻 @0xAlig
@SHIBAATTACKNOW @avi_eisen @AaveAave Not as much as arabs.
7:15 AM ∙ Nov 26, 2022

We may live in interesting times?


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Nov 29, 2022Liked by crv.mktcap.eth

What an amazing article ser

Right on

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Nov 28, 2022Liked by crv.mktcap.eth

thanks

good article

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